A conversation that keeps happening is how do you make the leap from hobbyist to professional for the thing you're passionate about doing. "Keep your day job" is the refrain synonymous with failure or perpetual mediocrity. This episode's guest shows how he's making it full time as an artist, supporting a large family, managing his time, and getting out there doing what he needs to do. "Art is not my pain, it's not my suffering, it's just something I really like to do." If you're curious about making this leap for yourself, you can learn something from this story.

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